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2023 Wall of Shame

# Q4-2023 Wall of Shame **Compilation as reported by folks so far:** 1. [Adam.ai](http://Adam.ai) #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED #LTD-BUYERS-MOVED-TO-LOWER-FREE-PLAN 2. Isla ([getisla.com](http://getisla.com)) #ANNOUNCED-SHUTDOWN 3. Quoters #SHUTTINGDOWN 4. EventsFrame #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-WITH-NEW-PLAN #PROCESSING-FEE-ADDED 5. Holacon #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED 6. Dukaan #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED 7. Sizzle #TEMPORARILY_SHUTTING_DOWN_FOR_NEW_VERSION (Is that possible? Repeat like ADYOUNEED?) 8. Keyword Spy #MISLEADING #SOFTWARE_WITHOUT_LISTED_FEATURES_SOLD 9. SmithBot #SHUTTINGDOWN 10. SocialNowa #SHUTDOWN #DISAPPEARED 11. AskCodi #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-WITH-NEW-PLAN 12. SalesBlink #BUGGY #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-UPGRADE 13. Client Manager #FAKE-REVIEWS 14. [Base.me](http://Base.me) #FAKE-REVIEWS (and possibly also for Reports & Dibz from same vendor) 15. Mailbird #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-UPGRADE 16. Tevent #SHUTDOWN-IN-ONE-YEAR 17. Bramework #SHUTTINGDOWN #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-WITH-NEW-EDITION (?) 18. TimZ.Flowers #SHUTDOWN-IN-ONE-YEAR 19. ElfSight #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED #LTD-BUYERS-MOVED-TO-LOWER-PLAN 20. AppMySite #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-SERVICES (? - reported, but to be confirmed) 21. WriteSonic #LTD-BUYERS-DISHONORED 22. AskCodi (AskJarvis) #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES 23. Utrrr #COMPANY-FOR-SALE-ON-FLIPPA 24. Vaizle #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES 25. Vista Social #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES (??) 26. Article Ninja #SHUTDOWN (??) 27. Instaminutes #SHUTDOWN (??) 28. Fliki #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES 29. LinkJoy #CONSTANTLY-SHUTTING-DOWN-APP-LOGIN #IMPACT-TO-CLIENTS 30. Dezygn (Formerly Youzign and Zsuite, includes Bonuszign, Certzign, Piczign, Gifzign, Adzign, Arzign, Logozign) #UNETHICAL-MALPRACTICES #KEEPS-ASKING-MORE-MONEY #KEEPS-RETIRING-AND-CHANGING-PRODUCTS 31. Moxly #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-UPGRADE 32. Calido #SHUTDOWN 33. LeadScripts #FORCED-LIMITATION-TO-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES 34. SalesBlink #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-UPGRADE 35. [ContentBot.ai](http://ContentBot.ai) #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES #DOWNGRADING-LIMITS-ON-NEW-PLAN-INTRODUCED 36. FindThatLead #MALPRACTICE-NOTICED #SWAPPED-NEW-V2-ON-OLD-V1-REVIEWS #NO-DIRECT-MIGRATION-FOR-V1-LTD-BUYERS 37. Deepword #SHUTDOWN (? - reported, but to be confirmed) 38. theconnected.app (renamed as Connected) #ASKING-ADDITIONAL-FEE-FOR-SERVICES 39. Berrycast #IMPOSING-RESTRICTIONS-ON-USAGE-LIMITS 40. ViewStub #FORCED-LIMITATION-TO-LTD-BUYERS-ON-USAGE #ASKING-ADDITIONAL-FEE-FOR-SERVICES 41. EncryptedWork #ASKING-ANNUAL-FEE-FOR-USAGE 42. RabbitLoader #FORCED-LIMITATION-TO-LTD-BUYERS-ON-USAGE #ASKING-ADDITIONAL-FEE-FOR-SERVICES 43. Blog Assistant #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-UPGRADE 44. Producter #ABANDONED-PRODUCT #UP-FOR-SALE #CONTINUED-BEING-SOLD-ON-APPSUMO 45. Motil #ABANDONED-PRODUCT 46. STRATxAI (formerly Aikido Finance) #BLOCKING-APPSUMO-BUYERS 47. HoneyStack #FEATURES-TRIMMED-FOR-LTD-BUYERS ([Sauce link](https://sauce.appsumo.com/c/tool-talk/hockeystack-we-lost-lots-of-features-and-seems-they-got-away-with-it-is-this-a-norm-now "Sauce link")) 48. Captain Data #DITCHING-LTD-BUYERS-ON-NEW-FEATURES ([Sauce link](https://sauce.appsumo.com/c/tool-talk/captain-data-stops-keeping-their-ltd-plans-up-to-date-violates-promise-of-all-future-updates "Sauce link")) 49. Hostsall #SUSPENDS-SERVICE-TO-LTD-BUYERS ([Sauce link](https://sauce.appsumo.com/c/tool-talk/hostsall-suspend-all-websites-and-appsumo-users "Sauce link")) For a reference, [Q3-2023 Tool Disappointments](https://talkoftools.com/index.php?r=content%2Fperma&id=8122 "Q3-2023 Tool Disappointments") compilation of 25 vendors.

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Scott Perez · Dec 6, 2023

Just refunded Tier III of Dezygn. I do not need the headache. I have enough to worry about.

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Ezi Sha · Dec 6, 2023 · Last updated Dec 6, 2023 - 6:22 PM

Dezygn was like “Jack of All Trades, Master of None” 😉

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Elvis l · Dec 6, 2023 · Last updated Dec 6, 2023 - 11:06 PM

[Haroon Mansoori](mention:9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd") Add Salesblink also to the list:\ \ 1st they took away the unlimited email searches with the dashboard update\ ![](file-guid:5e88fb68-47e0-48da-903a-8f82b77e0419 "image.png")\ \ Now they want to charge $29 per month for BlinkGPT which is supposed to be included with the Growth plan:\ \ ![image.png](file-guid:ea4a858b-3254-4d45-a2f5-a4269c17c972 "image.png")\ \ ![](file-guid:210b4113-7052-4c7d-ae6e-8da4c5c97326 "image.png")\ \ ![](file-guid:b2deccea-20bb-4b55-9c46-2a3e6b1b3be2 "image.png")

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Darth Philip J Fry · Dec 10, 2023 · Last updated Dec 10, 2023 - 9:14 PM

i think Bramework can be removed from the bad list? :skull_and_crossbones: recent good news from Sauce. wish i jumped on Brame.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 10, 2023

[Darth Philip J Fry](mention:5f4f8199-0f0a-49b6-ac87-0ecd7415e750 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=5f4f8199-0f0a-49b6-ac87-0ecd7415e750") - people understand this is just temporary and would be a short-lived success. Once the founder intent is wrong, the promise is gone; no guarantees for future. The current trick from the founder to ditch LTD buyers didn’t work and by now he knows all things he has to take care of in his new trick. Soon it will emerge.

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Ezi Sha · Dec 10, 2023

I wholeheartedly concur with your analysis of the Framework founders. I fully stacked the platform but will not use it for now because the trust is broken. I posted the following on the AppSumo Sauce community:\ \ Dear Sumo-lings,\ \ Are you trying to tell me that the Bramework platform has miraculously risen from the ashes? \ \ Buying the Bramework platform was a huge mistake. I have lost trust in the individuals behind the Bramework platform. Do not buy anything from the founders of the Bramework platform.\ \ Please take my word for it: it is only a matter of time before the Bramework platform disappears for good!

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Atis Gailis · Dec 12, 2023

Yes. That’s pitty. 20 hours are lot less than unlimited. On another hand - they are not shutting down and 20 hours of records for me is enough. So I hope they will kep afloat. BTW - the reasons they mentioned is the same that were discussed here on ToT a lot - in short: unlimited promise of limited resourceis not sustainable business.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 11, 2023

Berrycast now imposing limits/restrictions on usage.

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Olderico Caviglia · Dec 11, 2023

1. AppMySite #ASKING-MONEY-FOR-SERVICES (?) i till now seems nothing is changed in the tool

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 12, 2023

[Olderico Caviglia](mention:99724639-2afa-433e-b699-fa114aaa24f4 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=99724639-2afa-433e-b699-fa114aaa24f4") - you mean they’re honoring LTD and not asking money? Should it be removed from the list?

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Abhimanyu Rathore · Dec 12, 2023 · Last updated Dec 12, 2023 - 12:45 PM

[Elvis l](mention:f5860f5e-dc61-454f-a21b-c2c6d1bda2e1 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=f5860f5e-dc61-454f-a21b-c2c6d1bda2e1") Thanks for the reply and letting me know that AppSumo lets vendors change deal terms even years down the line.\ \ So, what I am able to understand is the **platform-white-label** being the issue here. \ Hey, I had the same issue too.\ \ So, what they were saying during the campaign is the _app being white-labled_, not the platform itself.\ I believe they meant, no AppMySite branding from tier 2 onwards.\ \ Most sumoling would get confused because we love white-labeled platform. No doubt about it.\ But they never claimed white-labeled agency platform. \ \ Even from the Archieves link that you shared, I am not able to find any specific terms in reference to agency keyword.\ \ So when you log in to appmysite dashboard, they call this agency white label, see below image.\ ![](file-guid:8be987b0-8bf1-4b7a-b075-c9009f727dcb "image.png")\ We all love whitelabeled platform. I do it to. \ But no offense my friend, just like me, you might be confused here.\ \ We don’t always get what we want.\ \ I appreciate your reply.\ \ Please correct me if I am missing something here.\ \ Have a good day, bro.

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Elvis l · Dec 12, 2023 · Last updated Dec 12, 2023 - 8:42 PM

[Abhimanyu Rathore](mention:8bd4294d-0971-4d57-b0c7-43ebdb7830cc "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=8bd4294d-0971-4d57-b0c7-43ebdb7830cc") You’re not missing anything. Point of my reply was that they did use the wording “white-label” (intentional or not) in the first couple of deals and replaced it with “no branding” to separate the LTD from the agency platform. Me, personally, I didn’t think it was included but I can see how others did (rightfully) get confused and think it was. As you can see from your screenshot “Launch your **WHITE-LABEL APP** development business.”, same "white-label app” wording as in the original deal then rewording to “no branding”.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 12, 2023

**Encrypted Work - now asking $297/yr** (posted in Sauce) ![image.png](https://talkoftools.com/index.php?r=file%2Ffile%2Fdownload&guid=85a6c67a-918a-435b-b021-48062e70e740&hash_sha1=12b37012 "image.png")

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 13, 2023

[Ezi Sha](mention:2b38edf2-dff0-41d3-b015-8f651cd67da1 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=2b38edf2-dff0-41d3-b015-8f651cd67da1") - much sad to hear that even after you paid more money to them, they’re still asking money. With so much nuisance going on by so many vendors, it becomes need of the hour to voice opinions very strongly in all review sites wherever these vendors are present. When they’re hit hard, they’ll start to realize. If people don’t do it, malpractices will continue to rise.

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Elvis l · Dec 13, 2023

[Ezi Sha](mention:2b38edf2-dff0-41d3-b015-8f651cd67da1 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=2b38edf2-dff0-41d3-b015-8f651cd67da1") The delete the deal page. Here is the web archive in case you need it:\ \ [https://web.archive.org/web/20210928100715/https://appsumo.com/products/connected/](https://web.archive.org/web/20210928100715/https://appsumo.com/products/connected/)

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Elvis l · Dec 12, 2023 · Last updated Dec 12, 2023 - 11:31 AM

[Haroon Mansoori](mention:9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd") Keep a spot open for Seodity. They MIGHT be going down the “you need to pay extra for the new version” route. I’ll know more when they send more info on version 3\ \ ![](file-guid:e09972cb-270d-4683-8fb6-02a27984fee3 "image.png")\ \ ![](file-guid:38414989-ce86-4f19-ba12-8b95947ca445 "image.png")

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 12, 2023

[Elvis l](mention:f5860f5e-dc61-454f-a21b-c2c6d1bda2e1 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=f5860f5e-dc61-454f-a21b-c2c6d1bda2e1") - Oh, one more possible candidate to the long disappointments list. I’ll park it to the list for a confirmation once you see that email asking for paid upgrade. Keep posted once you see that email.

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David DeWald · Dec 22, 2023 · Last updated Dec 22, 2023 - 3:15 PM

[Haroon Mansoori](mention:9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd") Looks like Motil is limping into death [https://appsumo.com/products/motil/](https://appsumo.com/products/motil/) Bought in Sept of 22, I didn’t actually use it much but went to look in on it today. The Site is gone [https://motil.com](https://motil.com), Newsletter unsubcribe is dead, Email addresses are dead and I’ve heard nothing from them since May... The Mobile App seems to still be working, but as only an app it isn’t all that useful. I might be one of the few that bought it. I picked up welance [https://appsumo.com/products/welance/?query=welance](https://appsumo.com/products/welance/?query=welance) as a repacement, but it’s buggy… very very buggy. But I have a tech support call today to work on it.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 22, 2023

[David DeWald](mention:ef08b7a6-3820-4116-a9c3-02da9d97a345 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=ef08b7a6-3820-4116-a9c3-02da9d97a345") - added Motil to the Q4 Wall of Shame list

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Elvis l · Dec 22, 2023

Add STRATxAI (formerly Aikido Finance) to the list. They are shutting out Appsumo LTD from the platform. Not even shutting down. See my post for full details.\ \ [https://appsumo.com/products/aikido-finance/](https://appsumo.com/products/aikido-finance/)

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Elvis l · Dec 22, 2023

[Haroon Mansoori](mention:9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=9cb0d73a-f505-40ce-b20f-78fda433ecdd") STRATxAI isn’t shutting down. They are just blocking Appsumo accounts since they consider it personal vs Enterprise. The platform is up and running.

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Olderico Caviglia · Dec 22, 2023

looks like Google cemetery [https://gcemetery.co/](https://gcemetery.co/)

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Olderico Caviglia · Dec 23, 2023

In my opinion, I believe there is no need to waste energy against scammers who have always been there and will always be there, I would invest energy in the prevention and evaluation of good tools and vendors and I would help them grow, I would create specialized task forces (crm, pm , video, text, collaboration etc) to evaluate in deep the best solutions and instead of a site of the infamous I would create a site of the virtuous. In my business life I have always spent my energy building rather than destroying.

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Ezi Sha · Dec 23, 2023

How about we publicize the above list and call it LTD Wall of Shame Vendors and Sounders? \ \ WOW! It will be Breaking News. We will build instead of destroy by protecting innocent people from unethical vendors and founders.

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Allen Tram · Dec 26, 2023

What’s wrong with WPAutoBlog? I almost purchased today

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Dante Healy · Dec 27, 2023

Hostsall, my hosting platform has gone bust and I need to find a new website hosting provider for all my domains. :frowning:

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David DeWald · Dec 27, 2023

I've been looking at [https://www.hostinger.com/](https://www.hostinger.com/)

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 27, 2023

[David DeWald](mention:ef08b7a6-3820-4116-a9c3-02da9d97a345 "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=ef08b7a6-3820-4116-a9c3-02da9d97a345") - I had a conversation with Hostinger. Have requested some more information from them.

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Dante Healy · Dec 28, 2023

Thank you Gents - once I have my issue clarified with Hostsall and AppSumo I’ll proceed to get my files migrated. The frustrating thing is that they didn’t notify me so whilst I cannot access my cPanel to migrate my files. Weird thing, the pages of my main sites aren’t working, but for some strange reason all my subdomains are still active. This is a bit of a mess that I need to unravel - customer service is exceptionally slow either because I’m no longer classed as an active customer or the holiday season (or both). They still show up as active: [HostSall \| Web Hosting Services with SSL and 99.9% Uptime](https://hostsall.com/) Never again - I’m so close to being officially done with LTD’s from Cloud based SAAS companies.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 28, 2023

Hostinger is a bit different than all standard web hosting companies. Hostinger do not have a cPanel, but their proprietary hPanel (much like SiteGround’s proprietary ecosystem). They seem to have a closed proprietary ecosystem. To give an example - in their cloud hosting plans, they say they charge 0% transaction for e-commerce sites, which means (while they do not charge transaction fees), they have control over payment processing through their platform. Secondly, they say they would help with migration, but usually all big players will ask for 24 hours to 96 hours (which means data will be lost between those days). I have inquired from Hostinger how do we manage client accounts like cPanel, since they don’t have cPanel. It’s been more than 24 hours now, the direct sales person I spoke with hasn’t responded. Under their cloud hosting plans, all 300 sites seems to be sitting under a single account (which is not how we work with cPanel for clients). While I have my own hosting and can give cPanel access to multiple clients, the only reason to explore Hostinger was for hosting standalone websites under a single account with higher RAM and CPU, than investing in a VPC (VPS ruled out as unviable option) or a bare metal server. One thing which I feel is that in case you are not happy, migrating away from Hostinger could be painful. This is because you won’t be able to do cPanel to cPanel migration, and so you will have to manually take backups and manually migrate on your own. I have personally done a few migrations, and I know how painful it can become, especially if they are non-WordPress websites. [Dante Healy](mention:977315d7-1433-42a3-ab3b-39a62383829f "/index.php?r=user%2Fprofile&cguid=977315d7-1433-42a3-ab3b-39a62383829f") - if you have an urgent migration need for a cPanel account to migrate from Hostsail or need to buy a cPanel hosting, message me directly and we can discuss.

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Haroon Mansoori · Dec 30, 2023

BTW, Hostinger didn’t bother to respond past 3 days for a simple question or accept/deny request for another meeting, not even to acknowledge or say if it’s not possible: “how to manage independent accounts for clients (similar to cPanel) like we could easily do in WHM?”. This question was very specific since they do not have cPanel, but give their own proprietary hPanel access and do not talk about WHM, and any hosting reseller or a web agency serving clients would need that. Hostinger appears to be a more proprietary closed ecosystem with having full control including on to customer’s e-commerce stores transactions through their platform, and I suspect people who wish to migrate away from them may find it a bit painful, especially for high traffic live websites.

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Darth Philip J Fry · Dec 30, 2023 · Last updated Dec 30, 2023 - 3:33 AM

if your page is static you can host on pCloud for free which is great LTD deal to have anyway for storage. obviously wont work for dynamic sites. its like having a website running on an aws s3 bucket or azure storage unit for free tho which is nice to have to dump files or host if ya dont care about the tiny 000webhost banner on bottom of your dynamic pages, we have all our project sites on 000webhost with a Cloudflare certificate inline so they dont get certificate warnings when going to the official domain\[.\]com. works great. the key is to not turn on the cloudflare proxy until afterwards. i messed that up once trying to do it before discovering actual steps [How to Use Cloudflare for SSL - Tutorials - 000webhost forum](https://www.000webhost.com/forum/t/how-to-use-cloudflare-for-ssl/53612) ![](https://talkoftools.com/index.php?r=file%2Ffile%2Fdownload&guid=73134e2b-e429-4546-9237-5dfd3a28386d&hash_sha1=d423f3e3 "image.png") i know thats not great for prod which is what we ran on prem until putting into aws or the others people called out.

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Darth Philip J Fry · Nov 29, 2024 · Last updated Nov 29, 2024 - 8:18 PM

just got notification that [Illow.io](http://Illow.io) is no longer honoring Sumolings due to acquisition. i cant copy/paste the email at the moment due to browser isolation, however, heres the Sumo thread also Tier 3 I had was $170 bux. argh!@#$ [https://appsumo.com/products/illow/questions/?page=1](https://appsumo.com/products/illow/questions/?page=1) at least they are honoring it, even though its June 2023 purchase outside of the 12 month

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